Posted by: kingskid49 | March 6, 2008
TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, SERPENT, DEVIL, DRAGON, SATAN AND LUCIFER ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME
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By: TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, SERPENT, DEVIL, DRAGON, SATAN AND LUCIFER ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME — Rugby Games on March 10, 2008
at 06:05 am
could it not also be not only the fruit of lies, but also since Eve was subduced that she had sex with satan and bear Cain. Cain was of his father the devil?
Cain in not listed in Adan’s genology.
By: carolyn phillips on August 25, 2008
at 08:35 am
Hello Carolyn,
Thank you for visiting and commenting, please come back anytime.
…..that she had sex with satan and bear Cain…….
Jesus said that in the resurrection we will be as the Angels, who do not marry. In God speak when you have sex (knew each other) that is the conception of your marriage
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:35-36
Angels; spirits, do not have sex.
Peace
By: kingskid49 on August 25, 2008
at 11:05 am
Genesis 6:4 When the sons of GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children unto them
We were created in the image and likeness of God. It was not suppose to happen but Satan was trying to do away with the linage into which Christ was to be born. These were the fallen angels. I know that there will be no marring nor giving in marriage in the resurrection. But Satan is out to destroy all that Christ stands for.We are sojourners here on this earth to be tried and tested, when we are changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye. there will be no need of child birth for we all have finished our journey here on this earth.
How do you think Christ was born?
By: Carrolyn on August 26, 2008
at 07:08 am
Carrolyn,
You say that Cain’s biological father was Satan, correct? Can you please show me (in scripture) where any of Cain’s seed survived the Flood??
The “daughters of men” is simply God-speak for the daughters of Cain (his seed), and the sons of God are Adam’s seed.
“….I know that there will be no marring nor giving in marriage in the resurrection. ….”
So, basically what you are saying is that your God changes His mind? First he lets the angels marry/have sex, then he changes his mind and says they can not marry/have sex, sounds schizophrenic to me.
Come out of that man-made doctrinal gobbly gook, and read the Bible for what it says.
Peace
Update** 8/28/08
“….it sounds like you are the one with a closed mind!….”
Carolyn, you have every right to consider me closed minded, and though I read your response, I have chosen not post it, it is too long. And I chose not to promote your therory. The Blogs are free at WordPress and Google. Thank you for your comments, please visit anytime.
By: kingskid49 on August 26, 2008
at 09:24 am
ok i get what you are saying, but i want to know where was adam at the time eve was talking to the devil? and where in the bible it says where he was.charl
By: charlie powell on August 26, 2008
at 08:05 pm
As you have stated, the Bible does not say where Adam was at that time, but we can infer from scripture that he was in the garden.
Peace
By: kingskid49 on August 27, 2008
at 08:21 am
Great blog! Very insightful and something new to ponder.
However I disagree with you on a couple of things. Yes, you are suppose to get married before sex and angels don’t marry. I agree with you on that one. That is backed up by Scripture. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they follow it just like Satan didn’t follow God so he got kicked out of heaven even though he was “suppose to” do what angels do. I am not agreeing with Carolyn here about Eve and Satan having kids but I do see where she is coming from and I do agree that angels did fornicate with human women. The Bible does allude this so check this out:
1. The “sons of God” did have kids with earthly woman (Genesis 6:4)
2. Angels are referred to “sons of God”
(Genesis 6:1, DEUTERONOMY 32:8, JOB 1:6, JOB 2:1, JOB 38:4, PSALM 89:5)
3. Angels left their heavenly home and committed fornication, another word for sex, with woman, so because of that they are going to be punished!
(JUDE 6)
4. Women are suppose to have a mark over their heads during marriage because of what bad angels (demons) did in the past- fornicate with women.
(Corinithians 11:7)
I think Jude 6 is a dead giveaway and can’t be anymore clear than that.
But hey, something to think about….
By: Hercules on February 15, 2009
at 09:13 pm
Dear Hercules,
Thank you for your comments, come visit anytime.
1. The “sons of God” did have kids with earthly woman (Genesis 6:4)
Genesis 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5And God saw that the wickedness of man….
The Bible says God saw the wickedness of man not angels.
2. Angels are referred to “sons of God”
So are men.
(Genesis 6:1, DEUTERONOMY 32:8, JOB 1:6, JOB 2:1, JOB 38:4, PSALM 89:5)
Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
God calls Adam His son wouldn’t Adam’s children be also? Who are the daughters of men?? These are the daughters of Cain and his descendants. If you will notice in the below scriptures Cain is not listed as a son of God.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,…
38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God….
3. Angels left their heavenly home and committed fornication, another word for sex, with woman, so because of that they are going to be punished!
(JUDE 6)
I think Jude 6 is a dead giveaway and can’t be anymore clear than that. When I read Jude 6, I do not see what you see.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
4. Women are suppose to have a mark over their heads during marriage because of what bad angels (demons) did in the past- fornicate with women.
(Corinthians 11:7)
Is this the scripture you are referring to?
1Corinthians 11 4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
Some more things to think about. Peace
By: kingskid49 on February 16, 2009
at 10:41 am
Makes sense bro Ty it sure does
Godbless
By: IJ on February 25, 2009
at 07:28 am
Thanks kingskid. How would you interpret the following Jude 6, 7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
It clearly indicates that angels left their homes and “like” Sodom and Gomorrha they had sex with strange flesh. In relation to angels, humans are biologically strange to them.
Please tell me what you think. I would love to know your thoughts on this. I might be wrong in my interpretation but I am open minded to learning something new all the time! Thanks once again
By: Hercules on March 4, 2009
at 06:55 pm
1 Corinthians 10
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Why would a woman need a mark over her head “BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS”??????
What would or better yet, what did the angels do to women??
I think that is up for reevaluating
By: Hercules on March 4, 2009
at 07:04 pm
Hello Hercules,
Thank you for you visits and your comments.
After answering your previous comment, I realized that my brother, Tyrone, had authored this post. Therefore, he will be responding to your latest comments.
His response will be forthcoming, soon. Once again, I thank you for your visits, come back anytime.
BTW: Tyrone authors Let Us Be 2 Timothy 2:15 People @ http://kingskid3.blogspot.com/
Stop by and check him out also.
Peace
By: kingskid49 on March 5, 2009
at 11:14 am
kingskid, sorry this one is pretty long but you’ll see my point at the end. I appreciate your inputs because I think we both can learn from each other but this should be the last one:
It is true that angels can NOT marry especially human women. However, the Bible does not state that angels having sex is a physical impossibility either. There are no mentions of that in the Bible so it’s up for interpretation. Men and angels SHOULDN’T have sex before marriage, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING SO, but because they should be holy and obedient to God. How many times has the Bible made clear examples of adulterers that had sex before marriage? Now consider some attributes of angels mentioned in the Bible:
Angels can physically appear as men (Heb 13:2)
Angels can eat like men and communicate in our language. (Genesis 18:6-8; 19:3, Psalm 78:24-25)
Genesis 19:10 & 16 reveal that the angels who appeared as men in were able to physically reach out, pull Lot inside, shut the door, grasp the hands of Lot, his wife, and his daughters, and then lead them to safety outside of Sodom.
Matthew 28:2, an angel physically rolled the stone and physically sat on it.
Also, when the two angels appearing as men came to visit Lot in Sodom and Gomorrha (Genesis 19:1-5 ), the sinful men of the city surrounded Lot’s house and demanded Lot to bring them out to “know” them, not realizing they were angels. Strong’s definition for “know” can translate to fornication or rape. Based on the context of that entire scripture, it’s very clear of what was happening. Now a question arises here: Why on earth would those people try to fornicate with those angelic beings if they didn’t think it was possible in the first place to do so????
More things to consider:
God is a spiritual being (John 4:24)and so are angels.
Both angels and demons could strike physical ailments and damage to people such as:
death (2 Kings 19:35, Psalm 78:49-51)
dumbness (Matthew 9:32, 33)
muteness (Mark 9:17-27)
blindness (Genesis 19:11)
boils (Job 2:7)
so why would it be impossible for angels to cause someone to be pregnant? God impregnated Mary, the mother of Jesus without physical connection so why would it be impossible for angels to do the same??
By: Hercules on March 5, 2009
at 11:58 am
Hello Hercules,
Jude speaks of a “common salvation” Read Deuteronomy 28:1, which shows the way to this “common salvation“. What this says to me is “Obey God’s commands and you shall be saved, from the second death.”
In Jude 1:4, he says “certain men crept in without notice, which were ordained to destruction, ungodly men who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness, which is foot-noted as licentiousness, whoch the dictionary defines as; (1. disregarding accepted rules and standards; 2. morally unrestrained, esp. in sexual activity; lascivious).
After which, he reminds those willing to listen, of how God repaid the disobedient. Check verses :5-12. Verse 12 speaks of the final pronouncment of judgment, ‘….to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness, FOREVER!” (emphasis mine)
Read the book of Jude again, without any preconceived notions, and pay close attention to verses :17-19. I pray that I have given you some food for thought.
Peace
Btw: According to the Bible when you “know” (have sex with) each other you are considered married. Genesis 4:1 The very first person that you have sex with is, in God’s eyes, your wife/husband, and any thereafter are adulterous liasions.
Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
P.S. Bro Tyrone’s response is forthcoming.
By: kingskid49 on March 6, 2009
at 11:32 am
Thank you for the response. Please don’t think that I am trying to prove a point or argue. I have learned a lot through debates and confess my own ignorance. I know we are getting off tangents here. But I wanted to go back specifically to Jude 1:5-7
To paraphrase it, its about Jude’s message on how God saved his people out of Egypt and how he punished those who were unbelievers, the immoral, defilers, law breakers, and abusers. Among those punished were people AND angels. That was all I was trying to prove
I don’t know how Genesis 4:1 translates that sex = marriage. If having sex with someone meant that you were married to them, then why have a marital ceremony to begin with?
Also the word “pre-marital sex” wouldn’t have a meaning that makes sense.
“Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion 1 Corinthians 7:8-9)
“Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman, nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV)
If sex with your first = marriage, then the context of the passages above wouldn’t make any sense. The whole reason why we should get married (in a ceremony) is to avoid fornication. According to the dictionary, fornication is sex outside of marriage or someone you are not married to.
The Bible doesn’t clearly define what constitutes an official marriage but it does say how a marriage should be: that a man will leave his household and become one with the woman, he must be the leader, sacrifice and love his wife, as the wife should be obedient and submit to him. No where in the scripture does it indicate that the first person you have sex with you are now married to. The Biblical concept of marriage is oneness under Christ and God, not the first person you have sex with. In Genesis, Adam and Eve are considered the first married couple not because they were each others first for intimacy, but because it was under God. Even Jesus performed a miracle during a wedding ceremony which constitutes an official marriage because it is under God.
In Jewish law, marriage consists of two separate acts, called kiddushin (or erusin, the engagement ceremony) and nissu’in, the actual wedding. Kiddushin changes the couple’s personal status, while nissu’in brings about the legal consequences of the change of status.
There are three ways for a Jewish couple to effect kiddushin (Mishna, Tractate Kiddushin 1:1):
* With money (kesef) or with an object of value, such as a ring or a coin, for the purpose of contracted marriage, and in the presence of two witnesses, and she actively accepts;
* Through a contract (shtar) in the presence of two witnesses, containing the declaration of kiddushin (see below); or
* By sexual intercourse with the intention of creating a bond of marriage; a method strongly discouraged by the rabbinic sages and intended only for levirate marriages.
So far I haven’t found any Scriptures supporting that sex = marriage.
By: Hercules on March 7, 2009
at 12:41 am
Basically what you are talking about are traditions of men. Can you show me in the Bible where there was a ceremony, as there is today, for marriage?? Jesus told the Pharisee about the traditions of men, transgressing the commandments of God, remember?
Once again, I suggest to you that you read the Bible for what it says without any preconceived notions:
….But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn…..
Better to commit yourself to one spouse than to burn in the Lake of Fire, forever!! Remember fornicators shall not enter into the Kingdom of God?
2Corinthians 6:9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1.”Now, concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman, nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV)
What this scripture says to me is that you share your sexual relations with ONE person, i.e., your husband or your wife.
….The whole reason why we should get married (in a ceremony….)
The reason for the ceremony is a legal (man-made) one not a spiritual, because we both know that marriage does not stop you from doing anything, just look around you. You must make a conscious decision to be committed to one person.
….The Biblical concept of marriage is oneness under Christ and God, not the first person you have sex with…...
When you have sex with another “the two become one flesh”. What part of that do you not see?
….Jesus performed a miracle during a wedding ceremony which constitutes an official marriage because it is under God….
That was a wedding feast, a party not a ceremony.
….fornication is sex outside of marriage or someone you are not married to.
Did you forget the according to God, marriage is for life? So fornication spans anything from a one night stand to promiscuity—anything other than for life?
In Jewish law, marriage consists of two separate acts,…..
Traditions of men, not God’s Laws
One last question to you if what you believe is true, are you saying that Angels are presently capable of having sex and conceiving with women?
From here on I will acquiesce all further responses to Brother Tyrone.
Peace
By: King's Kid on March 8, 2009
at 01:20 pm
Hello Hercules,
I still do not see how you came up with Angels having sex with women in Jude 6-7. Where in Jude 6 do you see that Angels had sex with women?
In Jude 7 it talks about what the Lord did to Sodom and Gomorrah in the days of Noah. How they went after strange flesh; men with men, Genesis 19:1-25. If you pay attention, it was the men of Sodom and Gomorrah that were trying to have sex with the men in Lot’s house; they did not know that they were Angels. How you arrived at that conclusion, Angels having sex with women, I do not know. But some people like believing in fairytales, 2 Tim 4:2-4, for that time is now.
I would like to know where are these children now, the half human, and half Spirit ones? Besides all this, Angels, “that kept not their first estate” were put under chains of darkness, in other words they could not appear to many any more. So my question is how could they have sex with women if they are under chains of darkness? They were under chains of darkness in the days of Noah, 2 Peter 2:4-5, and 1 Peter 3:19-20.
Now some people say, when they read this, that Jesus went and preached to the dead. However, that is impossible because “the dead know nothing”, Ecclesiastes 9:4-10. Besides this, the Lord said “every seed after it own kind” Genesis 1:11-12, :20-25. Here in Genesis we read everything is after its kind.
Now, God created man in His image, after His likeness, but not after His kind, not yet at least, because God is a Spirit, and He made the Angels Spirits, Psalm 104:4, like Himself after His kind, but not after His image.
You also read in Genesis 6:4, that there were giants in the land and these giants were the sons of Angels, so you say. Well, there were giants in the land after the flood. What about Goliath, 1 Samuel 17:4, or, what about when Moses sent spies to search out the land of Canaan? They came back and said there were giants in the land, the sons of Anak, which are the descendants of Canaan, who is the son of Ham, who is the son of Noah, Genesis 10:6, :15-20.Even today we have men that we call giants, just look at some of our sports figures.
In conclusion to all that we have discussed, you can not read where Angels had sex with women. Do you call yourself one of God’s children, you know, a son of God? If your answer is yes, do you have sex with your wife? If so, then you understand who these sons of God are.
Peace
Brother Tyrone
By: Bro Tyrone on March 9, 2009
at 10:54 am
@Hercules ….So far I haven’t found any Scriptures supporting that sex = marriage.
I see where you said that you have not found any scriptures supporting that sex equals marriage. Well, let’s take a look at what the scriptures say, that you evidently overlooked.
In Genesis 16:1-4, we read where Sarai gave her handmaid to Abram to be his wife, and he went in unto Hagar and she conceived. So, I ask, when did Hagar become Abram’s wife? Let’s take a look at another scripture, turn to Genesis 29:15-30.
Now here we read about Jacob (Israel) working seven years for Leban, so that he would give him Rachel to be his wife. However after seven years Laban threw a feast and gave him Leah his oldest daughter and Jacob went in to her that night after the party, but in the morning he realized that it was not Rachel, now, Leah became his wife. When did Leah become his wife?
Now, read Genesis 29:28, 30, where it tells how they became Jacob’s wives, now let’s got to one more place in scripture; Genesis 30:1-4, where we read Rachel gave her handmaid to Jacob to have children for her. When did Bilhah become Jacob’s wife?
Can you see, according to scripture, how they became his wives? So, don’t tell me, any more that you can’t find scriptures supporting sex equals marriage.
Tyrone
I hope to hear from you soon. Btw, if Angels married women, who performed the wedding, who married them? How could marriage between evil Angels and women be sanctioned by the Lord?
By: Bro Tyrone on March 13, 2009
at 12:55 pm
OK, we are going off tangents here like crazy.
I’m going to keep it very very simple because I’m not satisfied with the answer about a couple of issues which seems to be ignored or avoided. So here it is… What does this verse mean to you? (with all sincerity)
Jude 1:6-8
6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.
Am I the only one that can translate this? I don’t know how obvious this is pointing out to that angels left their domains, which is heaven, and just like Sodom and Gomorrah, committed fornication and went after strange flesh so they are eternally punished under darkness until Judgment Day!!! The syntax of this verse STATES THAT!! Can I get a second opinion anyone???? With all due respect, I would reevaluate that and get a cross check from an English major
Question #2:(which wasn’t fully answered aslo)
If spiritual beings like angels can come down to Earth and
appear as men so good that we don’t even realize it(Hebrews 13:2)
physically function as men by sitting, grabbing another human’s hand, closing doors, rolling over rocks, having a normal conversation in our own language (Genesis 18:6-8; 19:3, Psalm 78:24-25, Matthew 28:2)
cause inflictions with no physical contact such as death (2 Kings 19:35, Psalm 78:49-51)
dumbness (Matthew 9:32, 33)
muteness (Mark 9:17-27)
blindness (Genesis 19:11)
boils (Job 2:7)
The Bible only says that they don’t marry IN HEAVEN!!!It does NOT say anything about their sexual origin or capabilities at all!! You shouldn’t assume anything then.Remember God came down in human form of a “man”when he:
came down to wrestle with Jacob (Genesis 31: 21-32)
came down to physically sit under an oak tree and talk to Gideon “face to face” (Judges 6:11) appeared to Samson’s father, Manoah and his mother and talked “face to face” as a man. Manoah, before realizing it was God, talked to him, offered him something to eat, and ask what his name was.
Came as a messenger to talk to Abram. Abram didn’t even realize it that he offered Him water, washing of his feet, and ordered his wife, Sarah to bake bread for Him
took form as King Melchizedek, who was a Priest of the most high and a King at the same time, broke bread and wine, took tithes and blessed, just like Jesus did
Now, we know that God and angels are spiritual beings and can come down in the appearance of Men. Now, if God can impregnate Mary without physical contact, then why couldn’t angels do the same thing? If angels could appear as men and perform physical functions like man, then why couldn’t they physically have sex with women?
Question #3:Son’s Of God ordeal in Genesis 6:4
How can it be a reference to the Son’s of Seth? The Bible does not exclusively say that! If your reason for Seth’s sons being called the “sons of god” is because they are holy, that is completely untrue because God said that EVERYONE was wicked, corrupt, and full of violence. (Genesis 6:5, 11) with the exception of Noah and his family. If they were so holy then why did God destroy them during the flood? So that interpretation is completely wrong without any supporting weight to it.
Also, if “daughters of men” was referring to Cain’s evil lineage, then its only logical that his sons should be called “sons of men” right???Surprisingly enough, Jesus, the prophets Ezekiel, and Daniel were also given the title “son of man” so are you implying that they were evil????Here is another problem with that:
“Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them” Genesis 6:1
It’s obvious that the word “men” was referring to man in general. It’s very difficult to believe that the “daughters of these men” were restricted to just Canaanite women. That interpretation is deficient.
The Son of gods refers to ONLY 3 things:br>
a. angels (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7)
b. Christians in the New Testament
c. Jesus Christ
Based on the context and what I just proved, “sons of God” in Genesis 6:1 are referring to angels!!
Last but not least, In Genesis 6:4-
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Now to answer your question on how the angels mated with women if they were bounded into darkness. The answer is simple: The reason WHY they were bounded in the first place is BECAUSE they mated with women!
Also too, we are made in God image, not physically, but spiritually. So like angels and God, we also have a spiritual essence.
You also contradicted yourself Tyrone. If you say that sex = marriage, then (for the sake of the argument) why would angels need someone also to marry them. Can’t they just have sex with women as well???? Being sanctioned by the Lord has nothing to do with it because Israelite men married ungodly idolatrous Canaanite women throughout the entire Bible!!! If Sons of God (Seth’s line) married Daughters of men (Cain’s evil line) then why did God sanction that??
Also, about the comparisons of giants then to giants now called athletes. That argument serves no justice. The tallest man ever recorded was 8 feet tall from China and its very very rare to find someone that tall. I’m not talking about tall like 7 feet, because even God’s anointed, King Saul was taller than the average Jew. The giants I’m referring to back in the Genesis days were waaaaaay taller, twice as tall, like King Og of Basham who was 13 feet tall!!! Og was a Rephaite(Emites) that was just as tall as the Nephilim and Anakites race
(Deuteronomy 2:10) These races were considered “strong”, “tall” and “powerful”
NOT ONLY WERE THOSE RACES TALL, BUT THEY ALL LOOKED LIKE THAT. IT WAS COMMON!!!
So you ask me what happened to them now? Let’s look at what the Bible says.
Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Its clear that “those days” were referring to pre-flood days and the post flood days because the next verse goes on into God’s great flood.
Now, don’t forget when Joshua and Moses led the Israelites into Canaan, they completely destroyed the Nephilim and their descendants the Anakites and Rephaites, every man and woman!!
Now, how the Nephilim appeared after the flood, I don’t know but I have my own theories on it.
Oh one last thing, if you say that believing in giants are “fairy tales” then why would you believe in Chreubims and Seraphims? You know, those 2 to 6 winged creatures? Not to mention talking snakes, talking donkeys, staffs turning into snakes, and great red dragons. All of this in the Bible. Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
But anyways, I hope you can at least provide a sufficient answer to the first 3. Thank for your time, ministry, and education by the ways, I did learn some new stuff with you! Peace and blessings.
By: Hercules on March 18, 2009
at 05:05 pm
A few more things I forgot to mention:
Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
This is God talking to the serpent (Satan) about his offspring VS Eve’s offspring. How can Satan have offspring and how would you interpret the word “offspring”? I would like to know because we certainly know that Eve physically had offspring. If you’re going to say that the word “offspring” is symbolic, then please provide Scriptural backup.
In regarding Job 1:7, Satan, a fallen angel, at one point could roam freely back and forth to Heaven and Earth and with God’s permission, killed off Job’s daughters, sons, sheep, and servant. So what that being said, how can you place limits on spiritual beings like angels and demons and what they can and can’t do. I already provided Scriptural backup on mine.
Even the trinity ideology, there is nowhere in the Bible that actually says the word “Trinity” in it. We just know that based on context and content from the Scripture as well as A=B=C logic that it exists.
My point is just because it doesn’t actually say that angels mated with women and gave birth to giants that it doesn’t exist and what I have mentioned so far has more weight. It doesn’t say that in the Bible but non-biblical sources such as Book of Enoch (written in 300BC, fragments also found with Dead Sea Scrolls discovery, has a reference from Book of Jude) and the Book of Jubilees (written around 300 BC, copies found with the Dead Sea Scrolls discovery) definitely does say that Both of these books are canonical to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
On a parchment fragment 4Q201(En ara) copied ca. 200-150 B.C.E. found at Qumrum:
13. [They (the leaders) and all ... of them took for themselves] wives from all that they chose and [they began to cohabit with them and to defile themselves with them]; and to teach them sorcery and [spells and the cutting of roots; and to acquaint them with herbs.] And they become pregnant by them and bo[re (great) giants three thousand cubits high ...]
- Book of Enoch (Noah’s great great grandfather that never faced death and was taken up by God before the Great Flood)
“For due to these three things came the flood upon the Earth, namely, due to the fornication wherein the Watchers against the law of their ordinances went a whoring after the daughters of men, and took them- selves wives of all which they chose: and they made the beginning of uncleanness. And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all different, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another. And every one sold him to work crime and to shed much blood, and the Earth was filled with crime. And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the Earth: and much blood was shed on the Earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined pride and immorality continually. And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the Earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the middle of the Earth.” (Jubilees 7:21-25)
Now, I don’t totally buy into the credibility of apocrypha writings and admit they do have fantastic claims but its very difficult to dismiss about how they too, over 300 years before Christ, have stories of Angels coming down to intermarry with human females producing giants along with strikingly similar stories that reflect the Pre-flood era. So this theory is nothing new and I’m sure early Jewish people were aware of this. I just wanted to point out some alternative sources from ancient manuscripts that make note of that. So saying that its just a mere “fairy tale” means nothing unless you study history as well.
By: Hercules on March 18, 2009
at 06:46 pm
This one tops the cake!!!
Here is another interesting verse from 1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
II Peter 2:4-5, 9
“For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;…..
What spirits in prison before Noah is this referring to? We know that according to the Bible (Hebrews 4:12, and Thessalonians 5:23) spirit and souls are not synonymous and very distinct from one another. Man has a soul, has the spirit (Breathe of God) but is NOT a spirit. Big difference!!! The only things that come in a form of a spirit are God, angels, and demons. Angels are certainly “ministering spirits” according to Hebrews 1:14 and could be used as an evil spirit to torment people such as King Saul. Man is never ever denoted as a spirit in the Bible
You’re going to have to try very, very, very hard translating that to something else than the obvious! If you could find one, just one verse where it says that man is a spirit, then it would overthrow this argument! You would also have to answer WHY are the angels in prison? Good luck with that and please provide scriptural support!!!!
By: Hercules on March 22, 2009
at 10:30 am
I see you keep quoting the Scriptures in Jude 6-8. Well, let’s look at verse 5 first. Here we see that the Lord is talking about how he saved the children of Israel out of Egypt, and afterward destroyed them that “believed not”.
Turn to 1 Corinthians 10:5-11, here we read how the children of Israel were overthrown in the wilderness, other scriptures will tell you that the Lord destroyed that generation from twenty years old and upwards; that they died in the wilderness and would not see the promise land; neither would they enter into His rest, Psalm 95:7-11, which means that they would not be coming up in the first resurrection but will have to wait until that great day of judgment.
Now what I want you to remember is that Jude is telling us about different times. First he starts out about His people and how they sinned against the Lord down in the wilderness. This happened long after the Angels that were mentioned in Jude 6, were cast out of heaven.
Now, let’s take a look at Jude 6. It says that these Angels kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. Well, they did not leave their own, they were cast out. Revelation 12:7-9, tells us that there was war in Heaven; and the Devil and his Angels were cast out of Heaven into the Earth. Now this war took place before man was created. Jude 6 also states they were placed under chains of darkness waiting for that Great Day of Judgment.
Notice that they were cast out for something that they did in Heaven not on theearth, as for Jude 7, it is talking about Sodom and Gomorrah and their homosexual ways, and this happened long after the war in Heaven. Jude 8 sums up the other verses (:5-7). They all have one thing in common, they will be punished on Judgment Day.
These Scriptures have nothing to do with Angels having sex with women. It is about disobedience, breaking God’s laws. First the Angels that were cast out, then man, who disobeyed God; as for the translation or interpretation of the Scriptures, 2Peter 1:20-21, says no Scripture is of any private interpretation.
How are you going to know what God thinks when you have not even seen the air you breathe, which He also created? The only think that can interpret God’s Word is God’s Word, Isaiah 28:9-10, “here a little, there a little”. No where in the Holy Bible, (KJV), does it state that Angels had sex with women. Even though, Angels are called sons of God, Job 1:6, if you will notice, the Angels that were cast out of heaven were no longer called the sons of God, but Devils. Also notice that the Angels in Job 1:7 that are in Heaven are called sons of God, not the fallen Angels.
So, who are these Sons of God in Genesis 6:4, that married the daughters of, (man), Cain. They were the sons of Seth, who was the son of Adam, who was the Son of God, Luke 3:38.
I know that you don’t believe this but it is written in the Holy Scriptures, that Seth lineage is called the sons of God. This is the lineage that every one on this side of the flood cam out of, through Noah and his three sons. That lineage still continues to this day, only now you have to become a part of the Lord’s Church, more on this later, if necessary. But, let us not get off the subject at hand: Angels having sex with women.
As for your question, “Did God sanction marriage between Cain’s line and Seth’s line?” He did not, He destroyed the world with water because of the mingling of the two families on the Earth, Genesis 6:1-7.
Now, what I want to know is, “Why did He destroy man, and not just the Angels and the women that they took to be their wives? Why destroy men who had nothing to do with the Angels? ”. Now, where did these giants came from after the flood? God said He would destroy ALL flesh from the Earth. I ask again, “Why did He not destroy the Angels at that time—because God said the “wickedness of man was great in the Earth”, Genesis 6:5-7, 13, 17.
I really do not see why you can not understand that the Angels that were cast down were under chains of darkness, even in Noah’s time, 2Peter 2: 4-5; 1 Peter 3:19-20. As you can see these evil Angels were already under chains of darkness.
Now let us take a look at Genesis 3:14-15. What do you think that this Scripture means being that the Lord is talking to the serpent? In Genesis 3:14, the Lord is simply telling the serpent (Devil) that he was not going to be able to become visible and freely talk to the woman or anyone else, like he did with Eve, Genesis 3:1. In other words, it meant he was put under chains of darkness. As for Genesis 3:15, it is talking about the Devil’s seed and the woman’s seed, more on this a little later.
I see you said that we are made in God’s image, spiritually but not physically, however in Genesis 1:26-27 the Scripture says that we are made in His image and likeness, but not after His kind, for He is a Spirit Being, and we are flesh and blood beings, made from the earth, Job 33:4, 6.
We are not yet Spirit beings, but we will be. First physical, then Spiritual, Job 33:5. The Lord God said every seed after its own kind. So, you see, we are not after His kind yet, but after His likeness and image. When you look in the mirror the image of God is looking back at you.
Concerning the Angels not marrying as stated in Matthew 22:22-30, the answer is very clear. When the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection, asked Jesus whose wife would the woman be, in the resurrection of the seven brothers, Jesus said that they did not know the Scriptures nor the power of God. “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the Angel’s of God in Heaven.
Now, let’s take a close look at these Scriptures. Jesus said we will not marry in the resurrection, but be as the Angels in Heaven. How will we be as the Angels in Heaven? We will be Spirit beings, when we come up in the first resurrection; Spirit beings do not procreate. The reason He said nothing about the Angels, cast out of Heaven, is because they are no longer in Heaven, but have been cast out and are no longer considered , just as Cain is not mentioned in the lineage of Adam. Spirit beings can not have or make babies.
As for the different books that you quote from they are not part of, nor ever will be, the Holy Scriptures. Therefore I can not speak on them because I read the Holy Scriptures, the King James Version, and History books about events in the Scriptures. This brings to mind the Scriptures in Ecclesiastes 12:11-12, which says that we get the Word from one Shepherd, Jesus, and of the making of many books, there is no end. Remember not to add to or take away from the Scriptures, Deuteronomy 4:2.
As for you saying that I contradicted myself, what I was saying is who married the Angels and women if they were married before they had sex?
Well, I want you to know that it is a pleasure communicating with you about the scriptures.
Peace,
Bro Tyrone
BTW, I will be writing a small Post on Genesis 3:15. I hope to be talking with you soon! Continue working out your salvation, Philippians 2:12.
By: Bro Tyrone on April 1, 2009
at 12:55 pm
Bro Tyrone and his brother are wrong!
The sons of God referred to in genesis are angels.
The whole idea of the tree and the serpent and the fruit is also wrong in my opinion. Please we have to be careful how we interpret the bible, there is a lot about it we don’t know. Consider this the canon that compiled the bible, were the spirit filled people? Id like you to read thru Jeremiah chapt 5,6,7 and 9. In one of these chapters you will see where God accuses the scribes(those who made copies of the law) of falsely handling it. Most of the scripture you read, especially the law, haven’t you read Jesus statements concerning some of them? Like his stand on divorce for example, yet in the law divorce is allowed!! in the gospels (particularly Mark) Jesus told those who brought the question of divorce to him that Moses gave them that law because they were stubborn at heart. If Moses did this, what can we say of the whole other of the law(Exod,Lev NUm and Deut)? Please i plead with you be careful of what you are convicted of, for it is in this supposed age of knowledge where there are some claiming some revelation in the name of Christ misleading people to believe delusions. If anyone feels insulted by this they should instead think of what Jesus has said and and carefully read the misunderstood letters of the apostles for the truth we need to know.
By: Damola on May 22, 2009
at 11:11 am
May YHWH give you insight into truth of Himself, HIs Son and the Kingdom which He promises.
By: Damola on May 22, 2009
at 11:15 am
Damola:
First I want to thank you for reading our post. King’s Kid is not my brother, but my sister. As for the Scriptures, they are of no private interpretation 2 Peter 1:20. Therefore, neither your opinion, nor my opinion means anything when it comes to the Word of God. Only God’s Word can interpret God’s Word. It is God who teaches knowledge, Isaiah 28:9-10, you must go “here and there. If you don’t understand a Scripture, then pray to the Lord and He will guide you to some other Scripture that will help you to understand. But do not use your own opinion or interpretation, because God in His wisdom made it impossible for man to understand God in his own wisdom, 1 Corinthians 1:19-21.
Now, as for your saying that the Son’s of God in Genesis 6:2 are Angels is evidently due to you misunderstanding, because the Scripture does not say that. It simply says, “The Son’s of God saw that the daughters of men were fair….” Now, some people think these Sons of God are the one’s mentioned in Job 1:6; Job 2:1, however they are not. These Sons spoken of in Job, stayed in Heaven, while the Devil and his angels were cast out of Heaven, Revelation12:7-9. The Angels that remained faithful to God stayed in heaven are called “Son’s of God”, because they obey the Lord. The ones which were cast down to the Earth are called devils; they are no longer Son’s of God. If you will search the Scriptures you will see that when Cain killed his brother Able, Genesis 4:8-15, that he was driven out and was no longer called the Son of God, Luke 3:38. Also, if you pay close attention in Job 1:6; 2:1, it says, when the Son’s of God came to present themselves before the Lord, that Satan came also, among them. Did you notice that Satan is no longer called a “Son”?
So you have to look further for who these Son’s of God are in Genesis 6:2. Even better yet, are you saying that God Still called the Devil and his Angels His Sons? If that is what you are saying, I ask just one thing: “Read That To Me”, in the Holy Scriptures of Truth.
As for Moses writing a bill of Divorcement, Jesus said it was never so from the beginning, Matthew 19:8, we can see that was not a law, but a commandment of man (Moses). Only the Words that proceedeth out of the mouth of God shall man live by, Luke 4:1-4; Deuteronomy.
By the way, as for Jehovah (YHWH) being the Father, He is not, He became the Christ. Read our post on: JESUS THE UNKNOWN GOD @ http://kingskid3.blogspot.com/2008/10/jesus-unknown-god.html; or THE GODHEAD @ http://kingskid3.blogspot.com/2007/12/godhead.html; and for part one and @ http://kingskid3.blogspot.com/2007/12/godhead-continues.html
Thank you for your comments,
Tyrone
P.S. The Devil, the Tree, and the Serpent are one and the same. If they are not, can you read that to me? Go back and read the post again, please.
By: Bro Tyrone on May 28, 2009
at 03:46 pm
I agree that the devil, the tree and the serpent are one. Lets remember that the devil was in the gaden of Eden, perfect in beauty and Eve found him pleasing to the eye. Also look at the punishments the Devil and Eve received from God. Their child became known as Cain, who later killed his younger brother.
As per Genesis 6:2 – Angels of god later came to earth and bred with human women. God was unhappy and said “my spirit shall not always thrive with man, for that he also is flesh…” (Genesis 6:3) These fallen angels were known as the watchers according to the books of Enoch and Jubilees and did breed with the daughters of man.
Lets not forget these 2 books are very important and speak more about this subject.
By: sid on October 1, 2009
at 06:02 am
You believe that the Devil is the father of Cain? However, that can not be for many reasons; but the two Scriptures that I will use to clarify the point.
In Genesis 4:1-2 we read that Adam kenw his wife and she conceived and bare Cain. Again she conceived and bare Abel his brother. Now verse one says that Adam is Cain’s father. If there was something to be suspicious of it would be of it would be Abel’s parentage in verse two.
Now turn to Genesis 4:17; Cain knew his wife and she bare Cain a son. Now skip down to verse :25; Adam knew his wife again and she bare him another son, Seth–whom we all came out of.
What you seem not to understand is the word “knew”. If you look the word up in a dictionary you will find that it also means-to have sexual intercourse with, under ancient (archaic) languages. Furthermore the Devil is a spirit being and can not procreate!
Peace
By: Bro Tyrone on November 4, 2009
at 11:47 am
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is mans judgement by experience vs the truth Judgement of God, the Logos. It is really simple. Sin is a military term it means to miss the target. The Target is God’s Truth Judgement, The Logos. Man sins when he judges independantly by his experience. The Tree of Life is God’s Judgement. Thank God through faith in the Word of God that sin is removed.
Have peace, His peace.
By: AGM on November 1, 2009
at 02:18 am
Who is this devil? He is the one who stands in the temple (naous-holy of holies, man’s heart) of God/The Beleiver and proclaims his judgement excells Gods. It is your carnal mind. Just study the word serpent and stop believing fables. Simple study on the word Serpent here reveals that it is the one whom learns or gets knowledge by experience and enchantment. This is his/the devil the carnal mind, judgement Good and Evil, it is called realative judgement. God’s Judgement is absolute, judge with his(God YHVH) judgement and eat from the tree of Life. Judge with your own and and condemnation comes in because of self righteousness. It is simple only traditions keep the Word of God from having an effect. So shed them, quickly.
Remember God’s Word/Logos never retruns to Him void.
By: AGM on November 1, 2009
at 02:30 am
@AGM
Regarding your comment on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, you have no idea what the word SIN means, 1 John 3:4. For sin is breaking/transgressing God’s Word-Commandments.
As for who the Devil is read my post The Devil Deceives the Whole World.
I have read the statements of your beliefs. Please show me God the Holy Ghost (Spirit). Elohim is not one with three personalities, but two different Beings (Gods), Jehovah and Jesus.
BTW, what is this church that you are talking about? For the Lord’s church is the house of Jacob (Israel); Luke 1:27-33.
Peace
By: Bro Tyrone on November 4, 2009
at 01:59 pm